Showing posts with label Kyle Quincey. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Kyle Quincey. Show all posts

Sunday, June 26, 2011

Ryan Smyth Traded Again, and Again...

by J. Scott Moore

Is it "The Ryan Smyth Curse?"


It seems to me that if you mess with Ryan Smyth you get nothing!

Let’s look at the trail of nothing left behind this guy


  • Edmonton trades him for Robert Nilsson (bought out & now out of the NHL) and Ryan O'Marra, (who has scored all of one goal in the big leagues because he can’t break out of the minors) and a first rounder that turns out to be Alex Plante, another guy still in the minors. Not only do these guys look to be a bust, one is for sure, but team has been a bust ever since the trade of Smyth.
  • Isles lose him for nothing and have been in the bottom 5 ever since.
  • Avs trade him for essentially nothing. Quincey minus Tom Preissing net sum is zero. And a 5th rounder, Luke Walker, yeah, who cares.
  • LA tries to trade him to Edmonton for Gilbert Brule and a fourth-round draft pick,  Brule was going to be bought out by the Kings. That fell through and eventually ended up as Colin Fraser and a 7th rounder. Fraser is better than Brule who was just going to be cast aside but it still isn't much.


So Edmonton ends up getting Smyth back 4 years after they balked at his request for a $5M per year contract and guess how much he is making? Yep. In hindsight, amazing stupidity.

The exciting part is that we may get to see the contract negotiation fireworks between Smyth and the Oilers again even before the season is at the halfway mark as the Oilers would be smart to start and finish that aspect before Ryan Smyth is traded away once again due to an inability to come to an agreement. Look at the path of destruction that he has already paved.

The safest thing the Oilers can do for the sake of the franchise is get him signed for the future.

 

Monday, September 20, 2010

Avs Training Camp Report

Day two was a far more spirited affair than day one. It was also in the rink with very limited seating. But the advantage to this rink is the access the Avalanche illuminati have to the rink. Their little private perch in the corner, full of Avs brass is enough to make any prospect skate twice as hard and hit and score and do all those things hockey players do. Including running every rookie on the ice, apparently for the hell of it. I’m looking at you Koci. You, the guy that is alienating your already sparse fan base.

Speaking of the training camp experience. It’s cool that the fans get to come in for free and all, but it really is getting pretty crowded. I suggest if you are standing there talking about golf for three hours, hell, for 10 minutes while a scrimmage is on, you should do it some where else and let someone else in to see the Avs camp!

To enforce this the Avs can take a couple of those ticket sales people up front and have them patrol the isles. Anyone not intent on the scrimmage is out! I mean the ticket reps don’t have much else to do!

Cause this year the slogan is “It’s all about the Fans!” 

Well it ought to be...

Right?

I admit to watching the defense more closely than the offense, mainly because the offensive prospects haven’t changed much from last year or just don’t have a shot to make it this year.

Training camp flop: Kevin Shattenkirk
Wow, for all the hype surrounding this kid I didn’t see a thing! I picked him out of the crowd on nearly every shift during scrimmage and most of my ratings were OK and one was Bad. I watched him lose the puck at the blue line resulting in a rush to his end and a goal. Later in the day I rated him Good most of the time and Better on a shift where he brought the puck in and shot on goal.

On day 2 Shattenkirk was again up and down. I saw one nice steal and an outlet. But it was mostly a down day. Good players get the puck and make something happen. I noticed Shattenkirk spending a lot of time apparently ensuring that he was in sound positional placement, but doing little else. When he did get the puck, especially late in the day he was sloppy, hesitant and often deferred to his defensive partner, Scott Hannan, allowing him to make the play.

As for the regulars: Ryan Wilson was solid but nothing spectacular, Liles looked sharp and Hannan was playing his usual, unadorned and steady style. Foote looked good. Kyle Cumiskey was reported to be out with a groin injury.

That leaves Quincey. Last year I was thoroughly unimpressed with Kyle Quincey in training camp and yet he had a decent season. However, the fact that Quincey was suddenly in Sacco’s doghouse late last season has me wondering. Then there is this snippet from rookie camp of some interesting occurrences on the ice involving Quincey. On day two Quincey was as interested in dropping the gloves with his future teammate (Winnik) as he was in playing defense. Put it all together and I’m just slightly concerned that the guy might have a bit of an attitude at times. Hopefully it never turns into anything significant.

The top nine on this team is all but set but I expect we will see a lot competition though the year at the wing position for the top lines. Is Galiardi really a first line wing? Yip, Jones and even Mueller are likely to battle for this position and Mueller has the early lead by the looks of it in training camp. But Mueller and Duchene seem to have good chemistry so he may not enter into the fray much.

But I thought Galiardi looked good. Fast skating and quick hands and concentrating a lot on the game with the puck. I like to see that because a lot was made of the game he was playing so well in some opponent’s heads last season. And while that can be valuable, I like to see it on the ice as well.

Ryan O’Reilly was also looking good during camp and the leftovers from the Battle for the top Two Lines will, regardless of the outcome, leave him with some considerably better line mates than what he was working with last season. The Avs should have a third line that will be able to score often enough to make teams pay attention.

All the regulars looked good, except I thought Yip and Jones looked only average on day one, but stronger on day two. Other players that looked good were Greg Mauldin, Matt Ford, Travis Gawryletz and Troy Rutkowski. Too bad none of them have a shot in Hell of making this team on opening day.

So that leaves the 4th line guys. McLeod looked fine and we got a look at the new acquisition, Daniel Winnik. On day one I thought: Winnik is big, looks competent enough to play forth-line time, but does he have heart? Matt Hendricks is the type of player that is easily replaceable on paper but perhaps not so much in the locker room. We’ll see, but the Avs appear to have little room in THEIR hearts or their budget for guys that have won over the fans with heart, note Ian Laperriere and now Hendricks.

On day two I saw a couple things that I saw on day one from Winnik. But on day one I wasn’t sure I wanted to give him credit yet. But as day two rolled along those things were there again. So I hope that the Avs have indeed acquired a defensive forward that is aggressive on the fore check and bonus, effective. He doesn’t just press the defense; he steals the puck or makes them cough it up. Very nice.

Who gets these last two offensive spots (if indeed there are two, I doubt it) is anybody’s guess. No one was particularly outstanding in camp except Greg Mauldin and he doesn’t seem like a good fourth line kind of guy. I saw him lay one hit in two days. I’d say that by the antics David Koci was pulling on day two that he thinks he can earn the job by simply creaming rookies into the boards. Doubt it.

Who gets the call is going to depend on play in the preseason much more than two days in camp.

Goalies, yep there were goalie there. See The Avalanche Guild for some excellent goalie coverage from training camp.

Seen at training camp: a guy with his copy of Eat, Pray, Love.

-From the Point

Wednesday, June 30, 2010

Ryan Smyth what ifs...

As you know from my Real Denver Sports Helmet Awards, I'm still PO'd that Ryan Smyth was traded from this team.  More likely he was a salary dump.  Terry Frei of the Denver Post has said more than once that he is pretty sure that Greg Sherman would not have traded Smyth if he had had a clue that this team was going to be so good.

Shift to the post season and getting a chance to see a lot of Boston games and I have to say that Johnny Boychuk looked like a decent defenseman. Obviously Boston thinks so as well.

What the heck does that have to do with Ryan Smyth? You’ll see.

Here’s the time-line:

June 24th, 2008 – The Colorado Avalanche traded Johnny Boychuk to the Boston Bruins for Matt Hendricks.
July 2nd, 2009 – The Colorado Avalanche traded Ryan Smyth to the Los Angeles Kings for Kyle Quincey, Tom Preissing and a fifth round pick in 2010.

The Avs and the Bruins swapped players, Boychuk for Matt Hendricks. Let’s say that trade never happened.

And let’s say the Smyth trade didn’t happen either. The Avs would not have Preissing or Quincey. Preissing is a non-factor as he was sent down after a mere 52 minutes of playing time, never to see an Avs jersey again.

Quincey was an asset for most of the season, but there were a few knocks on him as the season went along and he “earned” some doghouse time with Sacco late in the season. I don’t have a beef with Quincey, just pointing out he was no more than a decent defenseman.

On trade day the Avs swapped Wolski for Mueller and found a missing link in the power play. And a right handed shot for the power play as well.

However, the second unit PP was still weak.

Guess what folks: Boychuk plays on the #1 PP unit for Boston and he shoots right.

Imagine if the Avs had kept Boychuk and Smyth.

By late season the team would have had a nice looking power play with two units that had that elusive right hander that has a good shot from the point. And Boychuk kills penalties too.

Boychuk’s play on D would be virtually indistinguishable from Quincey’s over the course of the season.

The Avs would have had another strong leader in the room with Smyth, and a guy that produces on the ice as well, including on the power play.

And for that we would have to imagine the Avs with OUT Hendricks and Quincey. I could have lived with that. Quincey was good and Hendricks was a great gritty guy that made a difference on this team, no doubt. But I think this team would have been better off with my scenario.

Sunday, December 13, 2009

The Avs D needs to get tougher

The Colorado Avalanche have starting goalie, Craig Anderson back in net after missing four games due to a neck injury inflicted by goalie killer, Keith Ballard. With the recent report by Puck Daddy that former NHL goalie Martin Gerber suffered a neck injury while playing in the Kontinental Hockey League, maybe the league should reconsider their deafening silence on players that keep running goalies. If players continue to run Craig Anderson then I think it’s time a message was sent to the league. And I don’t mean the front office.

As the Avs take on their opponents this month I think they need to keep in mind that if anyone so much as looks at Andy cross-eyed, he needs to be pummeled by the Avalanche. Now part of the challenge here for the Avs is their lack of fighting toughness on the backline. Not that a forward can’t take on this roll, but I would like to see at least one Avalanche defenseman take on the role of being Andy’s personal bodyguard.

Adam Foote has dropped the gloves in the past, he’s getting a bit long in the tooth to keep doing that and he really hasn’t dropped ‘em much in the last few years. Footer has only three fights since the lockout and no fights in nearly two years. But if you think he isn’t up to the job, take a look at his last fight with Jordin Tootoo.




I like the captain showing the team what needs to be done, but I would also like to see one of the other guys take on this responsibility. So who else might take on this role? Well here is the last fight (only NHL fight) John-Michael Liles was in.




So I don’t think he is our guy. Way to protect the face pretty-boy.

How about Hannan, Clark, or Quincey? Combined, they average less than a fight per year since the lockout.

That leaves Ryan Wilson, who has shown a real penchant for putting the hurt on guys with his checks. Let’s watch this recent video of Wilson leveling Ethan Moreau and fighting Zach Stortini.



Now Wilson didn’t fare so well in that fight but looking at his 100+ PIMs in his last couple years in the OHL, it’s obvious that Wilson has done a little fighting. He could be the man for this job.

If the league isn’t going to protect our goalie, then things need to be handled by the Avs, on the ice. I don’t care who commits the infraction, someone needs to address it. Craig Anderson is clearly a key component to the winning ways of this new and improved Colorado Avalanche. Last I checked the league doesn’t have a skirt-rule for goalies and I’m not calling for one either. I’m calling for the Avs to stand up for one of the guys that have made this team a winner again.


-From the Point

A version of this article was originally published on HockeyIndependent.com

Monday, October 12, 2009

Cool Beans! Avs beat the Bruins

This is a penalty...

...but this isn't? Ouch!

Andy stuck his leg out because he was out of position and was going to get beat on the wrap-around. Got that Norm Jones? Sheesh, I like Anderson too, but let's back off the love fest, not EVERYTHING he does is perfect, calm, collected, etcetera. Nonetheless, this team is looking, among other things, like a team. Did I see Clark high-five Andy after a bit of chaos in front of the net? Is it my imagination that these guys are doing the post goal-scoring hug with a lot more enthusiasm than I've seen in a long time? It's like real live camaraderie!
As a result, I think we are all seeing a team that is much more resilient than the team we saw last season. The Bruins, more than once, were comin' hard and knockin' on the doorstep. The Avs weathered the storms and stepped up their own game.
Some quick thoughts about the game today;
I like Foote as capt. but dude you aren't looking real stellar out there
Anyone want to start a pool for Duchie's first goal?
Stewart scratch...yeah, had to be done, but I still have faith in this kid
Galiardi will have an ache and pain for every good play he made, what a tough day!
Quincey and Tucker still looking good!
Sacco's post-game comments about O'Reilly...he's here to stay
David Jones looking good but lets wait a bit before promoting him to the first line
-From the Point

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Colorado Avalanche 2009-2010 Pre-Season Post

Well now that the opening night roster is set, I guess I’ll look like a real stiff with some of my predictions about the team, but seriously, I did take some notes during training camp and I never got around to a post, but the relevant stuff I’ll still cover.
First let’s talk a little about this starting roster for Oct. 1st. Matt Duchene and Ryan O’Reilly will get a shot at the big time game. Well, I think everyone expected “Duchie” to get a shot. O’Reilly, not so much. Nonetheless, I do have in my notes that O’Reilly was showing some good work in traffic on day one of camp. And he showed a thing or two the next two days but nothing real outstanding.

Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images

Duchie (yes I know how awful that sounds, that is why it is funny! Don’tcha think?)…as I was saying, Duchie looked very fast as well as quick. Fast on the breaks and quick through the tight spaces in traffic. He certainly seems to have a good sense of where his line mates are and where to put the puck. However, I will probably be one of the few to say anything bad about Duchene, but I swear I saw him taking it pretty easy on the back checking. Now, that wasn’t the scouting reports I heard about him going into the draft. But that is what I saw in camp. In addition, on day one he was on a line with Hejduk and Jones and he kept taking shifts about half as long as them. Now, was he tired? Coaching decision? I dunno, but it was noticeable. I haven’t seen any of the preseason games so I can’t comment on anything since camp.

AP Photo/Jack Dempsey


Who else looked good? Well, believe it or not, Tucker looked better. TJ Galiardi, Darren Haydar and on day two, Matt Hendricks got a circle and a star next to his number in my notes. Obviously he thinks he needs to show he can fight to make this team, but there was none of that during camp, I saw a guy that was playing well. Another guy that was getting a lot of my attention was Shawn Bates. Obviously Bates didn’t last long, and I’m not sure why, he was playing well and more than anything I saw him winning a lot of face-offs. A lot, including against Paul Stastny. Call me crazy but I thought the Avs could use a guy like that. So, either the coaches are blind, or I suck at judging talent. Hmmm.
Ok, so who wasn’t on the radar? Well how about Jones? Even though he was playing with Duchie and Hejduk I didn’t see anything new and improved. I still see the guy that DOES crash to the net, the guy that DOES work hard and hustle, but he still looked like that guy that isn’t getting it done, can’t finish. Now he’s hurt (again) so we’ll have to wait and see how his season works out.
I focused on Kyle Quincey a lot on day two. This guy is either a lazy bum that figures he’s already made the roster, or he is just so calm and collected back there that he LOOKS like he is half-assin’ it. Hmmm. Dater has been gushing about him in the preseason, so I hope he is right. I know I saw Quincey getting lapped during the after-practice skate and even cutting across the middle of the ice. Dude, you just got here and you are pulling that? Even the glacier-slow Foote was doing his best to move the feet around the rink.
We’ll have a post up in a couple days with the ’09-’10 predictions. This will be a dead-earnest attempt to connect with the Hockey Gods and predict the future of this team. I’m a bit of an amateur when it comes to voodoo, but how hard can it be? Tarot cards, palm reading, crystal balls. It’s all carnival stuff…I’ve been to a carnival or two.

-From the Point